EPISODE 058: School to Prison Pipeline: CJ Smith

CJ and I have a long overdue conversation about the "school to prison pipeline."  The government's institution of the “zero tolerance policy” in schools and its effect on our students and teachers perspective of students.

Does it create a scenario where individual races are set up for failure?  Can we change it?  What will it take?

This conversation takes some sides roads from the intended conversation, but they're amazingly beautiful, scenic, side roads.

Deep and simple is far more essential than shallow and complex.
— Fred Rogers
When I say it’s you I like, I’m talking about that part of you that knows that life is far more than anything you can ever see or hear or touch. That deep part of you that allows you to stand for those things without which humankind cannot survive. Love that conquers hate, peace that rises triumphant over war, and justice that proves more powerful than greed.
— Fred Rogers


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  • Legislating other people's reality?
  • Doing things my way, and the failure which ensues.
  • Our American forefathers decided that they were the "civilized" version of humanity and sought to transform others based on their arrogance?
  • Seeking out our comforts and going back into our white-privilege holes.
  • Why do I have to have my mind made up about everything?
  • Growing through transitional beliefs.
  • The humility to say, "I don't know, I'm searching."
  • Why is empathy and compassion outside of the norm?
  • Christianity as Pokémon gotta catch em all!
  • Why do we equate wealth to intelligence?
  • Mr. Rogers is our hero!
  • Transformation doesn't happen because we change the leader, if that were true, we would have had change by now.